Comments on: RSPCA Withdrawal from Crufts ‘Unhelpful’ Says the Kennel Club

By: emm

emm — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:58:09 +0000

does any one know the research for the program as it showed the old versions of breed eg dachsies, bassets, but i was wondering were the breeds in the old photos the same breed, or is it an ansesorial breed,becuase there was a bit on how the kennel club standered for the bulldog was not right as the dogs were not suitable for bullbaiting, however bulldog is not one breed but a group of many and the ONLY bulldog breed the kc regonise is the british bulldog. British bulldogs are a SHOW breed, DESENDED from bullbaiting breeds, such as the olde english bulldogge, the british bulldog itself is NOT a bullbaiting breed, so would not need to be suitable for bullbaiting

also I would like to see the breeds being tested on how well they can perform in the task that there breed is (obviously making alternetive tasks for fighting/ bullbaiting/ hunting / and driving breed), as I looked up the latest labrador winner http://crufts.fossedata.co.uk/Breed.asp?ShowYear=2008&GroupID=GUN&ScheduleID=68 looks nowt like a labrador, more like a flabrador, labs should look like this http://www.sportingkennel.com/ladystand3.JPG, and should be able to haul nets of fish in icy water repeatedly with ease non stop for 3 days

By: dog owner

dog owner — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:41:51 +0000

Have to agree with Frosty, its the first time owners that are ill informed, we need to get the info out there to them so they are made aware of what to look for, i was told about hip scores when i asked whats a good hip score? no-one could give me a straight answer because different people rate them differently. So we need as accurate answers as we can get. The info and the help just isn’t there.

By: emm

emm — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:13:41 +0000

yeah but the what if your getting a breed that is not registered by the kc?

and its to simple to say a a x breed between xyz and abc is going to be healthy that a purebred xyz or an abc

ok xyz are prone to 798, and abc are prone to 123

but if a xyz with a long line of health tests against 789, comming back negetive, breed with another xyz with a long line of health tests against 798, comming back negetive, and a abc with a long line of health tests against 123, comming back negetive, bred with an abc with a long line of health tests against 123, comming back negetive, those two sets of puppys are going to be healthier, than if you got pups breed from a xyz with a long line of health tests against 789, comming back positive, breed with a abc with a long line of health tests against 123, comming back positve.

also just becuase a dog is a xbreed does not mean the breeder is any more responsible, a few days ago i saw i sign sayng “cockapoos, maltapoos, cava cocks,labradoodles,jackachis,chugs pups all a month old ready for sale” it screams puppy farm to me

also floppy ears are prone to infection, labs and dobies both have floppy ears
and so are prone to infection, but if you have a labX dobie, it is a cross, but the liklehood is its still going to have floppy ears and still be prone to infection

By: frosty

frosty — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:22 +0000

I agree that the givernment need to bring in legislation, but if I were buying a pup in the UK I would findit strange that that it was not registered by the UK Kennel Club.
Also when i purchase my pup 4 years ago we phoned different breeders and researched her breed nad were advised to check for good hip scores in the parents and hemaphlia testing of the sire which we done.
The kennel club did not advise us of any other condition to check for, now at 4 she has two spondolysis and CDRM. We did not get her pedigree certificate until we picked her up and therefore could not check her ancestory in whichthe grandmother is the same on both dam and sire – this may be a contributory factor it may not.
What I’m trying to say is that people buying a breed for the first time are not always given all the information they require to make informed judgements. Had I known about inbreeding and had advised to look at her ancerstory we would have walked away – hard as it may have been.
We do need to make sure that correct information is available.

By: Pedigree Dog Owner

Pedigree Dog Owner — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:30:24 +0000

Emm,

If the KC is to be taken seriously they have to set the benchmark. They have to insist on health testing. temperament testing etc.

Will they lose some business. Undoubtedly, in the short term.
Will unscrupulous breeders still breed poor quality dogs and register them elsewhere? Undoubtedly – many already do.
Will ill informed buyesr still buy these dogs? Undoubtedly.

Dose this mean that the KC should not make the necessary changes? I don’t think so. Thay are in no position to insist on legal restrictions of breeding or dog ownership tests, until they put their own house in order.

By: emm

emm — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:37:29 +0000

Im going to play the devils advocate this time.

If they did restrict breeding, they have no legal standing ground, so any breeder that doesnt feel like obeying the new rules, will simply registor there dogs with another of the many breed registrys (eg akc, ukc, ckc, fci, nzkc, ankc, nkc, etc).

What we need if the goverment to pass a law insted

and Im sorry for playing the devils advocate but if you purchase a puppy without seeing the apropriate health certificates of all its ansesors, then you cant realy complain about bad breeding when the pup falls ill down the line, you should have checked the breeding first