Comments on: A Message to the BBC on Behalf of True Dog Lovers (Pedigree Dogs Exposed)

By: Mark

Mark — Sat, 03 Jul 2010 07:38:44 +0000

We bought a “Champion quality bloodline” Havanese last year from Siegreich kennels , first was shocked it was an Eastern European , but he had the patter, Bought the dog… HUGE MISTAKE dog was unhealthy according to my vet, had bad eyes, bad teeth and was very grimy and smelly.

He told us “All English breeders want my blood lines, they have crap quality sickly doggies in England”

Told us “My dog is World Champion and he is my dog” I asked did he breed him he said of course. Since found that was just another lie.

He had lots of false paperwork (checked it all out) He had false vet books , he had vaccinated the dogs himself, he is evil and I told the KC about him and the RSPCA.

ZOLTAN JOO IS A PUPPY FARMER there had to be 100 dogs at that house it reeked very badly of piss and shit and the dogs even the father (never saw the mother ) was yukky to touch he smelled like piss.

By: Sad15

Sad15 — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:26:40 +0000

Nothing to learn from Sweden. ,

By: nation shall speak unto nation

nation shall speak unto nation — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:22:51 +0000

As an exhibitor at Crufts I am disadvantaged by the BBC’s position.

As a dog lover I am proud to contribute to an organisation that has the guts to stand up to the practices sanctioned by the KC.

Anyone who thinks that the GSD looks normal is at best myopic.

By: JonR

JonR — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:10:32 +0000

I have said this for years! Those people that support the KC need their heads examined. Whether that being by supporting Crufts or indeed buying a KC reg dog. Apart from Breeders, I don't understand why ANYONE would need a peice of paper to prove the pedigree (or worth) of a dog! Lets face it, unless you intend to breed your dog, your registration is worthless. All i am interested in when buying a puppy, is seeing and interacting with its parents. I have had GSD dogs all my life and i don't need a KC registration to tell me who they are or what they are.

I have watched crufts once, and it made me sick to my stomach. Unnatural dogs with fur shaved from their legs and body. GSD's that need a certain posture and 'sloping' spine! Without doubt inbred!

I hope that Crufts never returns to the Beeb, or any other channel for that matter.

By: Janny

Janny — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:26:08 +0000

Alot has been said on this site about the faults in pedigree dogs since the BBC program brought the problems to the forground. However no-one can say how irradicate these breed faults in the breeds mentioned.Breeding dogs has become big business with the cost of the dogs and the Insurance that you are persuaded to have for them, which really isn’t worth the paper it is written on. It comes down to the fact that if you have a problem with any animal be it pedigree or not you still have to foot the bill for that animal and wait until your insurer decides whether or not they will pay up your incurred vets bill. When the animal gets into old age the premium get larger and the pay out becomes less. I have had German Shepherds for 20 years and have had problems with all of them. The first had hip displasia and then dislocated her neck at the age of 8 years old and had to be eusthanised The second suffered from arthritis from the age of 7 years although her hip score was good. She also suffered from degenerative mylopathy and furunculosis from the same age.She lasted until she was 10years old when one morning she got up went outside and her back end collapsed so there was nothing the vet could do to save her.The Vet said that these problems were all too common in German Shepherds. The breeder of her said that if you got a German Shepherd over the age of 8 yers you had done well!!!!!!!!!! My 3rd Gds is now 2years and 3 months old and when I had her hip scored at 18months old her score was horrendous and she was already showing signs of athritis around her hip joints.I also have a 7month old pup who is showing signs of becoming cow hocked so I will be interested to see what her hip score shows up when she becomes one year old.I have followed the guide lines with all of them by not overwalking them until their bones are fully formed. My Vet says that german shepherds are born with loose hips and that they don’t firm up until they are one year old.From the puppy stage they are extremely active dogs so it is difficult to stop them running around and jumping up, it is in their nature to do this. My Vet tells me that it is not my fault that these problems have occurred it is a breed fault.The first Gds I had came from what I suppose you would term as a puppy farmer The second and fourth from the same breeder who was also a show judge The 2year old from a breeder who I really feel cares about his dogs and is always on hand if I need help or advice. Unless you can find a German shepherd who has been bred from 2 dogs with a nil hip score you stand to have an animal with with problems in later life as the hereditary problem will carry forward into any pups produced in future generations. I therefore cannot see that these faults can be irradicated now. I also have a Jack Russell cross and he is the healtiest and fittest of all of them which I feel says it all.

By: Lisa

Lisa — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:14:53 +0000

Dyane Jones said “How many mongrels are health screeed ? & please don’t roll out that they don’t have health problems because they have exactly the same basic genetic make up asa pedigree dog.”
No they don’t. Mongrels have open gene pools (genetic diversity), pedigree dogs have closed gene pools (restricted and reduced genetic diversity). The reason pedigrees suffer from a high incidence of hereditary disease is due to the increased chance of two of the very same disease carrying genes meeting up in a closed gene pool compared to a mongrel’s open and varied gene pool. The problem is then increased again by breeders reducing genetic diversity further, in gene pools which are already closed, by line breeding to fix traits. With open and varied gene pools (mongrels) there is arguably little need to health test. In closed gene pools health testing is required if you are to avoid the likelihood of two of the same disease carrying genes meeting up. Unfortunately though pedigree dogs have become so inbred there are more hereditary diseases than there are specific health tests available. Continuing to reduce gene pools to win shows is the reason pedigree dogs are in the state they’re in. To try to pass blame onto back yard breeders, who although are not health testing are likely to randomly mate and therefore less likely to reduce, although not impossible, gene pools further, only serves to cover up the real problem by passing the blame, a problem the very top KC breeders are themselves causing. Until the breeders who are supposed to care accept this and follow the advice of population geneticists, pedigrees will continue to suffer, no doubt to the point where they’re gene pools will become so reduced they cease to exist, while in the mean time a large portion of pedigree dogs are suffering.

By: Aunty Beeb

Aunty Beeb — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:57:14 +0000

Quote: ‘very much hope that if Crufts is shown again on the BBC, it will be as a very different kind of show. Sack Ben Fogle and hire some good investigative journalists, a geneticist and a vet (without vested interests).’

Dont forget Peter Purves as well as the ‘Geordie and the American’ double act too when it comes to the sackings!

lol

By: Dyane Jones

Dyane Jones — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:19:47 +0000

quote>Posted by Anon 20th August, 2008 at 2:27 am
I am disgusted at what I witnessed during the show last night. I will NOT attend Crufts again nor will I buy a Kennel Club registered dog in the future as clearly they are NOT any different from any other unregistered or cross breed dog. Shame on the Kennel Club for misleading the public in this way and implying their dogs are healthier!! I hope the BBC comes to its senses and withdraws all publicity for the Kennel Club for the dogs sake!<

So you will be buying pedigree dogs from unregistered, unhealth tested parents, possibly closely related ????? I do not understand your logic

Not every breeder(in fact very very few)do close breedings such as brother/sister etc-this is far more common amoungst those who breed non registered dogs & have no knowledge of the breeding of their dogs. They may have two dogs & simply allow them to breed & breed & then their offspring do the same-the buyers will have no way of knowing. Anyone can make up a pedigree & register with a commerical company like Dog Lovers Registration Club who will register any dogs. You can even register dogs with them that do not exist, they do not have breed databases to check.

I will give you an example of the tess I have had done on my dogs-DNA tests for CEA(CH)-Collie Eye Anomaly( Choroidal Hypoplasia)an eye condition that can mean the dog is blind, TNS-Trapped Neurophil Syndrome-dogs die if they have this, NCL-Neuronal Ceriod Lipofuscinosis-dogs that have this die, MDR 1-MultiDrug Reaction-if dogs that have this are given certain drugs they can have bad reactons & die. Clinical tests for Hip Dysplasia & Progressive Retinal Atrophy. these are fast becoming standard tests being done on one of my breeds-not a fancy show breed, but a British working breed, Border Collies. KC registered dogs are far more likely to have had all the health tests done than even the working sheepdogs from the ISDS(the registry for shepherd/farmer bred dogs)

So if you were to buy an unregistered Border Collie-odds are that the breeder willnot even have heard of any of these conditions let alone tested for them

By: Dyane Jones

Dyane Jones — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:58:45 +0000

quote>Posted by Dave the Dog 23rd September, 2008 at 5:05 am
Chris
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My Shepherd is just one example, My previous dog was a Black Lab, same background, Hip displacia and OCD.

I agree that the breed lines of both dogs are unknown, the point is that the conditions both dogs suffer from are hereditory. My GSD also has Hip displacia, that will never cause him a major problem, he will not live to see the end of 2009. My second point is that these dogs were both handed in at under 6 months old. Over the years we have had many young dogs that owners have handed in due to hereditory conditions. When we have contacted the known breeder they have refused to take the dog back, yes they were KC registered.
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It says a lot that UK Police Forces and Armed Services are increasingly giving up trying to find suitable dogs in the UK and are sourcing their dogs abroad.<

The Police are importing adult fully trained & health tested GSDs from Germany, Belgium etc from the same/similar/related to the dogs that were shown @ Crufts. They are finding that the donated dogs(usually bred from un KC reg parents are not suitable & most forces will not buy in puppies.

The forces that breed their own dogs are turning to imported stud dogs(from Germany etc)simlar(& in some cases the dogs being shown here in the UK)from the SV(Germany GSD registry)stock.

The Police do not want the old fashioned Alsatian because the breeders of the”English”type do not health test for inherent health problems(HD ED etc)They opt for the “modern”Germanic type from working lines, who are tested not only for health, but working ability, character & conformation to the breed standard. I know because a force boought a young German bred dog from me who became a highly successful serving Police dog

By: Dyane Jones

Dyane Jones — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:47:55 +0000

>Posted by Claire Petrie 20th August, 2008 at 1:00 am
I am shocked and appalled ( as I am sure that you are too ) at the conditions of the dogs of this programme last night. ……………. the GSDs who would never (IMO) be able to work. <

Hm interesting as both the GSDs show have working qualifications & were fully health tested & were from Germany(the BOB is resident in Germany)

All my dogs are fully health tested(& I’m a ABS breeder)tomorrow I will be investing another £200 in health screening on a bitch I might never breed from.

How many mongrels are health screeed ? & please don’t roll out that they don’t have health problems because they have exactly the same basic genetic make up asa pedigree dog