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	<title>Comments on: BBC&#8217;s Continued Coverage of Crufts In Doubt in Wake of Pedigree Dogs Exposed Program</title>
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		<title>By: BAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 03:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched the BBC show (2010) and was sickened by what I saw, particularly the most hideously ugly prize winning Pekingese. What reasonably intelligent, normal human being can look at a &quot;dog&quot; that can&#039;t walk, requires surgery to breathe, needs to be set on an ice pack (during the show !) to keep from overheating and say &quot;yes that&#039;s the best of the breed!&quot;  The old illustrations of the original breeds were quite enlightening. That today&#039;s breeders &amp; show people are so blind to the crippled &amp; sickly freaks they have &quot;created&quot; shows how demented their thinking is. The suffering of the innocent dogs is apparently inconsequential to these egomaniacs that lust after their prizes. 
I volunteered at a local shelter for years &amp; saw too many breed dogs that required surgical intervention before they could be adopted.  
Without a doubt there should be laws controlling inbreeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched the BBC show (2010) and was sickened by what I saw, particularly the most hideously ugly prize winning Pekingese. What reasonably intelligent, normal human being can look at a &#8220;dog&#8221; that can&#8217;t walk, requires surgery to breathe, needs to be set on an ice pack (during the show !) to keep from overheating and say &#8220;yes that&#8217;s the best of the breed!&#8221;  The old illustrations of the original breeds were quite enlightening. That today&#8217;s breeders &amp; show people are so blind to the crippled &amp; sickly freaks they have &#8220;created&#8221; shows how demented their thinking is. The suffering of the innocent dogs is apparently inconsequential to these egomaniacs that lust after their prizes.<br />
I volunteered at a local shelter for years &amp; saw too many breed dogs that required surgical intervention before they could be adopted.<br />
Without a doubt there should be laws controlling inbreeding.</p>
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		<title>By: wackybacky</title>
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		<dc:creator>wackybacky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or perhaps it&#039;s just a cunning plan on the part of the bbc to divert interest away from their own ineptitude.. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or perhaps it&#039;s just a cunning plan on the part of the bbc to divert interest away from their own ineptitude..</p>
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		<title>By: Dave the Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/695/bbc-coverage-in-doubt-in-wake-of-pedigree-dogs-exposed-program/#comment-32500</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave the Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pay my licence fee, I was incensed too! Not at the Beeb though. 
The programme, as has been explained many times, did not set out to be &#039;balanced&#039; it set out to do one simple thing. To show the results of bad and outdated breeding practices. 
I agree on one thing, the paying of obscene amounts to so called celebrities. Lets have this money spent on more programmes like this. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pay my licence fee, I was incensed too! Not at the Beeb though.<br />
The programme, as has been explained many times, did not set out to be &#039;balanced&#039; it set out to do one simple thing. To show the results of bad and outdated breeding practices.<br />
I agree on one thing, the paying of obscene amounts to so called celebrities. Lets have this money spent on more programmes like this.</p>
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		<title>By: wackybacky</title>
		<link>http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/695/bbc-coverage-in-doubt-in-wake-of-pedigree-dogs-exposed-program/#comment-32492</link>
		<dc:creator>wackybacky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the bbc should concentrate on getting their house in order rather than spending public money incensing the people who pay their bills. stars who involve themselves in public displays of animosity and who don&#039;t have the self respect to resign when all around them do shouldn&#039;t be paid obscene amounts of public money.  
 
when you consider that it took two years of public money to find a very limited number of breeds who could seriously be considered at risk. the program did not offer a balanced outlook and like many of the bbc&#039;s programs bordered on sensationalism.  
 
they are falling to the level of a well known sunday tabloid. that&#039;s not how i want my license fee spent. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the bbc should concentrate on getting their house in order rather than spending public money incensing the people who pay their bills. stars who involve themselves in public displays of animosity and who don&#039;t have the self respect to resign when all around them do shouldn&#039;t be paid obscene amounts of public money.  </p>
<p>when you consider that it took two years of public money to find a very limited number of breeds who could seriously be considered at risk. the program did not offer a balanced outlook and like many of the bbc&#039;s programs bordered on sensationalism.  </p>
<p>they are falling to the level of a well known sunday tabloid. that&#039;s not how i want my license fee spent.</p>
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		<title>By: KER</title>
		<link>http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/695/bbc-coverage-in-doubt-in-wake-of-pedigree-dogs-exposed-program/#comment-22758</link>
		<dc:creator>KER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm very interesting, but belive that most are you are blinded by KC and dont realy, lets be honest understand it.

It is true that most people spend hundred of money on a pedigree dog, especialy due to new puppie being KC Registered.  THINK this is safe! Well its not! and its not 100% safe.  You and every one else must be truly aware that because you think your puppy is KC reg, that it cant possible be at all related in any way.  Check again!  Due to lets say UNTRAINED breeders that have brought a KC reg dog or bitch for breeding without looking at the full history of there breeding pair or people who think that its time to breed there pet dog or bitch and have there first lot of puppies.  Think its great to start breeding and registering dogs under the kennel club registry, knowing people will pay because its KC REG!  Because these untrained breeders dont know what to look for they start to breed to close to its own family line, where you can see the grandparents/fathers/mothers/sisters/brothers etc.. being breed with its own family causing poor breeding lines and gentic faults that you would see in any human being.  Jaws, facial, bones, gentic illness and the list goes on.  

When some one says that most breeders dont breed that closes to be honest! HA... What about the ones that DO!!!   

WHY IS KC STILL REGISTERING THESE&#039;S PUPPIES THAT ARE???

Then its takes someone who dont know what there doing to breed and to continue to breed not knowing what damage is being caused.  The pedigree lines and proper breeders that dont do this close breeding are being ruined!

The registration of each puppy should show its true family tree and each puppie&#039;s quality of breeding.

Before you spend hundreds purchaseing your PUPPY you should know were its come from and check its full back ground with all the correct paperwork.  If you have brought a puppy and you recently found out that it was breed to close to its family background.  It dont mean you wont love it all the same, however if you brought the puppy on the grounds to breeding, then you should request your money back from the breeder and make sure that the KC Reg are informed not to recommend this breeder who continues to breed to close.  People like this are killing off its correct breed.

With out the KC Reg you wouldnt beable to find the puppies true oringin.

p.s Always go to a recommended breeder, ask to see the parents and check the puppies suroundings as this will show the true Temperament and health of any puppy.  Remember once you bring your puppy home its all up to yourself in how your puppy turns out!  

Hope you found this useful.

AND A DOUBLE P.S. FOR:-
Lauren and Chris thinking you should very much read up about breeding dogs and the showing world.  Closing your eyes to a close breeding (Interbreeding) is not a bright thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm very interesting, but belive that most are you are blinded by KC and dont realy, lets be honest understand it.</p>
<p>It is true that most people spend hundred of money on a pedigree dog, especialy due to new puppie being KC Registered.  THINK this is safe! Well its not! and its not 100% safe.  You and every one else must be truly aware that because you think your puppy is KC reg, that it cant possible be at all related in any way.  Check again!  Due to lets say UNTRAINED breeders that have brought a KC reg dog or bitch for breeding without looking at the full history of there breeding pair or people who think that its time to breed there pet dog or bitch and have there first lot of puppies.  Think its great to start breeding and registering dogs under the kennel club registry, knowing people will pay because its KC REG!  Because these untrained breeders dont know what to look for they start to breed to close to its own family line, where you can see the grandparents/fathers/mothers/sisters/brothers etc.. being breed with its own family causing poor breeding lines and gentic faults that you would see in any human being.  Jaws, facial, bones, gentic illness and the list goes on.  </p>
<p>When some one says that most breeders dont breed that closes to be honest! HA&#8230; What about the ones that DO!!!   </p>
<p>WHY IS KC STILL REGISTERING THESE&#8217;S PUPPIES THAT ARE???</p>
<p>Then its takes someone who dont know what there doing to breed and to continue to breed not knowing what damage is being caused.  The pedigree lines and proper breeders that dont do this close breeding are being ruined!</p>
<p>The registration of each puppy should show its true family tree and each puppie&#8217;s quality of breeding.</p>
<p>Before you spend hundreds purchaseing your PUPPY you should know were its come from and check its full back ground with all the correct paperwork.  If you have brought a puppy and you recently found out that it was breed to close to its family background.  It dont mean you wont love it all the same, however if you brought the puppy on the grounds to breeding, then you should request your money back from the breeder and make sure that the KC Reg are informed not to recommend this breeder who continues to breed to close.  People like this are killing off its correct breed.</p>
<p>With out the KC Reg you wouldnt beable to find the puppies true oringin.</p>
<p>p.s Always go to a recommended breeder, ask to see the parents and check the puppies suroundings as this will show the true Temperament and health of any puppy.  Remember once you bring your puppy home its all up to yourself in how your puppy turns out!  </p>
<p>Hope you found this useful.</p>
<p>AND A DOUBLE P.S. FOR:-<br />
Lauren and Chris thinking you should very much read up about breeding dogs and the showing world.  Closing your eyes to a close breeding (Interbreeding) is not a bright thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: chris hyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i very much agree lauren. Please read up on the facts people before you condemn the whole show world!</description>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a person who&#039;s whole life has revolved around dogs and dog shows, I felt I needed to comment!  

I am a dog show handler, so basically I am the person at the end of the leash of those pedigreed dogs that you are seeing at shows!  I just want you all to note that any dog, no matter what breed or lineage can be effected by genetic disorders.  When a breeder breeds father to daughter it is not to make money, and not to win at shows.  They are trying to breed two really good specimens together.  If both are healthy, good tempered animals then really there is nothing wrong with this, I woulden&#039;t do it unless the two dogs were nearly perfect.  If for some reason a genetic disorder were to crop up then it would actually benifit the breeder as then he/she would know that that line carried that and then would be able to eradicate it completely.  If one were to do an out cross breeding there is NO guarantee that these offspring wouldn&#039;t be as or even more affected by genetic illness as both may bring in a disorder and the pups would carry it anyway and it would be passed around from generation to generation, not completely eradicated over time like it would be from inbreeding as the faults are brought to the surface and bred out.

Like the KC said, most breeders don&#039;t breed that close anyway, to be honest.  The guy writing this article...I would like to know his credentials int he dog world as he is quite off.  I don&#039;t agree with consistent inbreeding or unknowledgeable inbreeding, but it is a very valuable tool for knowledgeable breeders to use in order to improve the temperament, health of breeds of dogs.  I hope that folks who read this article do their own research before listening to the opinion of one man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a person who&#8217;s whole life has revolved around dogs and dog shows, I felt I needed to comment!  </p>
<p>I am a dog show handler, so basically I am the person at the end of the leash of those pedigreed dogs that you are seeing at shows!  I just want you all to note that any dog, no matter what breed or lineage can be effected by genetic disorders.  When a breeder breeds father to daughter it is not to make money, and not to win at shows.  They are trying to breed two really good specimens together.  If both are healthy, good tempered animals then really there is nothing wrong with this, I woulden&#8217;t do it unless the two dogs were nearly perfect.  If for some reason a genetic disorder were to crop up then it would actually benifit the breeder as then he/she would know that that line carried that and then would be able to eradicate it completely.  If one were to do an out cross breeding there is NO guarantee that these offspring wouldn&#8217;t be as or even more affected by genetic illness as both may bring in a disorder and the pups would carry it anyway and it would be passed around from generation to generation, not completely eradicated over time like it would be from inbreeding as the faults are brought to the surface and bred out.</p>
<p>Like the KC said, most breeders don&#8217;t breed that close anyway, to be honest.  The guy writing this article&#8230;I would like to know his credentials int he dog world as he is quite off.  I don&#8217;t agree with consistent inbreeding or unknowledgeable inbreeding, but it is a very valuable tool for knowledgeable breeders to use in order to improve the temperament, health of breeds of dogs.  I hope that folks who read this article do their own research before listening to the opinion of one man.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee - no one&#039;s even mentioned the fact that there ARE no stats on genetic problems of mixed-breeds - BECAUSE IT&#039;S IMPOSSIBLE!!!  There is absolutely NO WAY genetics can be traced on a mixed-breed - for several reasons:
1.  frequently the sire is unknown
2.  there&#039;s no &quot;breed&quot; to track and lump problems together.

Shame you can&#039;t see logic!!!  The link is really TO the Animal Rights with the Nazis - check it - that&#039;s where they have their groundings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee &#8211; no one&#8217;s even mentioned the fact that there ARE no stats on genetic problems of mixed-breeds &#8211; BECAUSE IT&#8217;S IMPOSSIBLE!!!  There is absolutely NO WAY genetics can be traced on a mixed-breed &#8211; for several reasons:<br />
1.  frequently the sire is unknown<br />
2.  there&#8217;s no &#8220;breed&#8221; to track and lump problems together.</p>
<p>Shame you can&#8217;t see logic!!!  The link is really TO the Animal Rights with the Nazis &#8211; check it &#8211; that&#8217;s where they have their groundings!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The programme the BBC made was a good one - though the linking of the KC with the Nazis was way over the top.

I think that the problem is the the breeders have no veterinary training so they are doing their breeding purely based on looks - the vets the BBC had on the programme took the breeders apart and it was obvious that the breedrs were largely ignorant of the medical issues their practices were causing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The programme the BBC made was a good one &#8211; though the linking of the KC with the Nazis was way over the top.</p>
<p>I think that the problem is the the breeders have no veterinary training so they are doing their breeding purely based on looks &#8211; the vets the BBC had on the programme took the breeders apart and it was obvious that the breedrs were largely ignorant of the medical issues their practices were causing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not only the show breeder that has caused inherent problems within pedigree dog breeds. Much blame must be a the door of the commercial breeder/puppy farmer who breeds from dogs to produce the puppies that they can then sell onto dealers and pet shops. They follow fashion trends and breed what ever fashion dictates, is the latest must have, in respect of puppies.
The commercial breeder/puppy farmer will not partake in any health screening for known hereditary diseases that affect so many pedigree dogs today. Nor will they be concerned about son/daughter or sibling matings within their own kennel or with using  breeding bitches and stud dogs owned by closely interconnected breeders. They will be used time and time again until the bitch becomes exhausted and can produce no more.

The dealers buying these poorly bred puppies will check for an under/overshot jaw, a noticable defect but little more. It is only later after the puppies are sold by the dealer to the pet shop and purchased by an indivual who wishes, in good faith, to buy a pedigree puppy only to be found to be suffering from a common hereditary disease such as hip dysplasia, various eye conditions etc. Most are preventable if the dam and sire are screened. 

Some puppies sold from the pet shop outlets will be Kennel Club Registered (against KC code of ethics to sell to a wholesaler or dealer, but it so rare for the KC to take any action against those that do) but many breeders will use alternative registraion companies or sell with a pedigree only. So the consumer often has no idea where the pupy was bred as pet shops deny all knowledge of buying from puppy farms. But a responsible breeder would never sell to a pet shop so they have no choice but to buy from undesirable sources. Some pet shops say puppies,vet checked before sale but that still does not prevent puppies being sold unhealthy. 

The fault lies with the breeders who have their eyes more focused on the money that can be exchanged for selling litters of sickly, badly bred, mass produced puppies to dealers and pet shops. They should not be allowed to breed and sell sell puppies that are inherently faulty. The public must learn to not buy a puppy from a third party pet shop, they are getting duped by the high price charged and the quality of the puppy sold.
The government should make it illegal to sell puppies from pet shops, because the puppies and breeding bitches suffer in the process of producing litter after litter for the pet trade. If breeders cannot ensure that the puppy they produce for a commercial sale is healthy then the trade in commercailly bred puppies should be banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not only the show breeder that has caused inherent problems within pedigree dog breeds. Much blame must be a the door of the commercial breeder/puppy farmer who breeds from dogs to produce the puppies that they can then sell onto dealers and pet shops. They follow fashion trends and breed what ever fashion dictates, is the latest must have, in respect of puppies.<br />
The commercial breeder/puppy farmer will not partake in any health screening for known hereditary diseases that affect so many pedigree dogs today. Nor will they be concerned about son/daughter or sibling matings within their own kennel or with using  breeding bitches and stud dogs owned by closely interconnected breeders. They will be used time and time again until the bitch becomes exhausted and can produce no more.</p>
<p>The dealers buying these poorly bred puppies will check for an under/overshot jaw, a noticable defect but little more. It is only later after the puppies are sold by the dealer to the pet shop and purchased by an indivual who wishes, in good faith, to buy a pedigree puppy only to be found to be suffering from a common hereditary disease such as hip dysplasia, various eye conditions etc. Most are preventable if the dam and sire are screened. </p>
<p>Some puppies sold from the pet shop outlets will be Kennel Club Registered (against KC code of ethics to sell to a wholesaler or dealer, but it so rare for the KC to take any action against those that do) but many breeders will use alternative registraion companies or sell with a pedigree only. So the consumer often has no idea where the pupy was bred as pet shops deny all knowledge of buying from puppy farms. But a responsible breeder would never sell to a pet shop so they have no choice but to buy from undesirable sources. Some pet shops say puppies,vet checked before sale but that still does not prevent puppies being sold unhealthy. </p>
<p>The fault lies with the breeders who have their eyes more focused on the money that can be exchanged for selling litters of sickly, badly bred, mass produced puppies to dealers and pet shops. They should not be allowed to breed and sell sell puppies that are inherently faulty. The public must learn to not buy a puppy from a third party pet shop, they are getting duped by the high price charged and the quality of the puppy sold.<br />
The government should make it illegal to sell puppies from pet shops, because the puppies and breeding bitches suffer in the process of producing litter after litter for the pet trade. If breeders cannot ensure that the puppy they produce for a commercial sale is healthy then the trade in commercailly bred puppies should be banned.</p>
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