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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, managed to get through all of that and even managed to read the links (those that I was able to access). I endevoured to keep an open mind. However, nothing I read was able to shake my conviction that Cesar Millan is a gifted, talented man who understands dogs perfectly. No, he doesn&#039;t have batchelor, masters or other academic qualifications but then not all students of art are Picassos; not all students of music are Mozarts. My reference to the arts is not haphasard, what Cesar Millan does is to my eyes an art. Could that be the source of the vicious outpourings of his detractors? Born of the frustrating of realisation that for all their certificates and efforts toward experience they lack, and have closed their mind to, that vital, instinctive understanding that Cesar has. In sum, they just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, managed to get through all of that and even managed to read the links (those that I was able to access). I endevoured to keep an open mind. However, nothing I read was able to shake my conviction that Cesar Millan is a gifted, talented man who understands dogs perfectly. No, he doesn&#8217;t have batchelor, masters or other academic qualifications but then not all students of art are Picassos; not all students of music are Mozarts. My reference to the arts is not haphasard, what Cesar Millan does is to my eyes an art. Could that be the source of the vicious outpourings of his detractors? Born of the frustrating of realisation that for all their certificates and efforts toward experience they lack, and have closed their mind to, that vital, instinctive understanding that Cesar has. In sum, they just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going to war? He and any other expert out there if they surrounded themselves with up to 50 dog many of which are powerful breeds and annoyed them they would not last very long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going to war? He and any other expert out there if they surrounded themselves with up to 50 dog many of which are powerful breeds and annoyed them they would not last very long.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/4445/dog-whisperer-cesar-millan-is-coming-to-the-uk/#comment-88393</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man does not call it dog training. I am pleased to read how passionate people are about their dogs and the training world. Perhaps his work is raising the profile of dog trainers and the important messages that seem to be lost in the above posts. The importance of exercise which to some may be common sense but the UK has a problem with fat pets and owners if he can just get these people out walking the dogs everyday then he has done alright.

Some of his methods are not liked by some that is obvious but violent? Everyone is entitled to their opinion how ever a more balanced opinion would not create such a divide in opinion. There must be some good that you guys and girls think he has done.

I know since seeing Cesar in Melbourne I have read and looked up other trainers trying to find out as much as possible. I like many probably wouldn’t have done it without Millan raising the profile of the dog world and the professions that surround it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man does not call it dog training. I am pleased to read how passionate people are about their dogs and the training world. Perhaps his work is raising the profile of dog trainers and the important messages that seem to be lost in the above posts. The importance of exercise which to some may be common sense but the UK has a problem with fat pets and owners if he can just get these people out walking the dogs everyday then he has done alright.</p>
<p>Some of his methods are not liked by some that is obvious but violent? Everyone is entitled to their opinion how ever a more balanced opinion would not create such a divide in opinion. There must be some good that you guys and girls think he has done.</p>
<p>I know since seeing Cesar in Melbourne I have read and looked up other trainers trying to find out as much as possible. I like many probably wouldn’t have done it without Millan raising the profile of the dog world and the professions that surround it.</p>
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		<title>By: Corinthian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corinthian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Nicholas Dodman, director of the Animal Behavior Clinic at Tufts University’s Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine:

“To call his operation a psychology center is a total paradox, I think, like a bullfighter, he understands how to approach and work around a dog, but thereafter he stops. He doesn’t understand separation anxiety. I doubt he knows what obsessive-compulsive behavior is. Basically, with a smile, he’s going to war with these dogs. Imagine if there was a new Dr. Phil for children, and he said, ‘If your kid is playing too many video games, get a big paddle and whack him on the head.’ People would be incensed!”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Nicholas Dodman, director of the Animal Behavior Clinic at Tufts University’s Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine:</p>
<p>“To call his operation a psychology center is a total paradox, I think, like a bullfighter, he understands how to approach and work around a dog, but thereafter he stops. He doesn’t understand separation anxiety. I doubt he knows what obsessive-compulsive behavior is. Basically, with a smile, he’s going to war with these dogs. Imagine if there was a new Dr. Phil for children, and he said, ‘If your kid is playing too many video games, get a big paddle and whack him on the head.’ People would be incensed!”</p>
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		<title>By: Susie Matthewson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie Matthewson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out some of the abuse this man calls dog training - it is freely available on the internet.

It is outdated and cruel.

Please boycott this man and try to find a non-violent dog trainer in the UK.  There are plenty around!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out some of the abuse this man calls dog training &#8211; it is freely available on the internet.</p>
<p>It is outdated and cruel.</p>
<p>Please boycott this man and try to find a non-violent dog trainer in the UK.  There are plenty around!</p>
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		<title>By: tjayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds to me like jill likes the sound of her own voice and likes to have people hanging on to her every word. she seems very forceful to have people  believe her ways are the most superior way of training (to ceasars agressive???? ones) but the proof is in the pudding. i have never heard of &quot;jill the dog behaviorist&quot; before on tv in the library on the internet or in the news. i have heard and watched and read and used mr millans and other trainers techniques and my dogs have never been distressed in any way by them. in fact all the dogs i deal with are all well balanced in the end -even previously aggressive ones ready to be pts after the dog behaviourist/phychologist has given up. less talking and more doing. you sound like a child who says my dad is better than your dad. also bitches DO nip cheeky pups to have them listen. lastly no charges for cruelty were ever brought against him so beware of such slanderous accusations they could land you in trouble. x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds to me like jill likes the sound of her own voice and likes to have people hanging on to her every word. she seems very forceful to have people  believe her ways are the most superior way of training (to ceasars agressive???? ones) but the proof is in the pudding. i have never heard of &#8220;jill the dog behaviorist&#8221; before on tv in the library on the internet or in the news. i have heard and watched and read and used mr millans and other trainers techniques and my dogs have never been distressed in any way by them. in fact all the dogs i deal with are all well balanced in the end -even previously aggressive ones ready to be pts after the dog behaviourist/phychologist has given up. less talking and more doing. you sound like a child who says my dad is better than your dad. also bitches DO nip cheeky pups to have them listen. lastly no charges for cruelty were ever brought against him so beware of such slanderous accusations they could land you in trouble. x</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have seen mothers act as he says from ,my pack of 13 bulldogs and masiffs, and from what ive seen, cesar doesnt strangle he holds the dog up and away from himself to aviod having his face savaged off. most british organisations would have the animal on a catch pole and would put it to sleep. even if its a dog that has been almost starved to death so is protective over its food.
 all this politically corrent modern theory rubbish is really starting to get on my nerves. dogs should not be treated the same as children generally but as a mother of 2 if parenting opinion ever got to the state of current dog training i would fear that the world would be taken over by antisocial hoodies, oh hang on, it sort of has, hasnt it!!!!!!!
my children recieve plenty of praise and encouragement, as do my dogs, when they do well but it wouldnt be seen as right by any organisation if they recieved a gift for the action of every single  simple  task. ie sitting quietly saying hello nicely. it would be seen as spoiling the child and would create a self centred individual only out for personal gain. i personally prefere my dogs to behave because they know i make the rules not because i have a bag of treats, any dog will sit nicely for that, but what happens when you run out. ive seen dogs trained by trainers, think i will have a treat later but at the mo this dogs bum is far moe interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have seen mothers act as he says from ,my pack of 13 bulldogs and masiffs, and from what ive seen, cesar doesnt strangle he holds the dog up and away from himself to aviod having his face savaged off. most british organisations would have the animal on a catch pole and would put it to sleep. even if its a dog that has been almost starved to death so is protective over its food.<br />
 all this politically corrent modern theory rubbish is really starting to get on my nerves. dogs should not be treated the same as children generally but as a mother of 2 if parenting opinion ever got to the state of current dog training i would fear that the world would be taken over by antisocial hoodies, oh hang on, it sort of has, hasnt it!!!!!!!<br />
my children recieve plenty of praise and encouragement, as do my dogs, when they do well but it wouldnt be seen as right by any organisation if they recieved a gift for the action of every single  simple  task. ie sitting quietly saying hello nicely. it would be seen as spoiling the child and would create a self centred individual only out for personal gain. i personally prefere my dogs to behave because they know i make the rules not because i have a bag of treats, any dog will sit nicely for that, but what happens when you run out. ive seen dogs trained by trainers, think i will have a treat later but at the mo this dogs bum is far moe interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, I don&#039;t seem to be able to answer Stuart&#039;s latest insult directly, so I will put this up here. 

With the greatest of respect. Stuart, saying &quot;I can show you...&quot; doesn&#039;t demonstrate that you have experineces of your own to share, its just rhetoric. 

And just because I quote say, Turid Rugaas, (as the leading authority) doesn&#039;t mean that I haven&#039;t made observations in my own dogs and the many hundreds of dogs I have trained over the years that corroborates what she writes. There&#039;s a reason that I quote certain sources - because I have practised what they advocate and found it works. DArned well, in fact. I learned quickly that aversives don&#039;t, not nearly to the degree that positives do. 

I am amazed that you feel you have to undermine me by telling the world wide web that I have not experience, when actually you just don&#039;t know squat about me. But boy you want to win this debate, or at least it seems that way! As I have said before, if you can&#039;t articulate a counter-argument, don&#039;t resort to pettiness, it says more about you than it ever will about me. But, to answer your criticism, what do you want to know about, the dog agressive dog that I worked with a month ago? (its 150 miles away, so I don&#039;t see her frequently). Or the many puppies, young dogs and rescues I have trained over the years? 

And as for Mr Millan being all about calm - then why does he resort to at least one case of flooding (mental abuse) per show? Why does he not take responsibility for his actions and influence and TELL people not to emulate him? Love him or hate him, one cannot deny that he is one of the most influential dog trainers ever. Now, if only he would use that influence for positive methods and not aversives, now wouldn&#039;t that be something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, I don&#8217;t seem to be able to answer Stuart&#8217;s latest insult directly, so I will put this up here. </p>
<p>With the greatest of respect. Stuart, saying &#8220;I can show you&#8230;&#8221; doesn&#8217;t demonstrate that you have experineces of your own to share, its just rhetoric. </p>
<p>And just because I quote say, Turid Rugaas, (as the leading authority) doesn&#8217;t mean that I haven&#8217;t made observations in my own dogs and the many hundreds of dogs I have trained over the years that corroborates what she writes. There&#8217;s a reason that I quote certain sources &#8211; because I have practised what they advocate and found it works. DArned well, in fact. I learned quickly that aversives don&#8217;t, not nearly to the degree that positives do. </p>
<p>I am amazed that you feel you have to undermine me by telling the world wide web that I have not experience, when actually you just don&#8217;t know squat about me. But boy you want to win this debate, or at least it seems that way! As I have said before, if you can&#8217;t articulate a counter-argument, don&#8217;t resort to pettiness, it says more about you than it ever will about me. But, to answer your criticism, what do you want to know about, the dog agressive dog that I worked with a month ago? (its 150 miles away, so I don&#8217;t see her frequently). Or the many puppies, young dogs and rescues I have trained over the years? </p>
<p>And as for Mr Millan being all about calm &#8211; then why does he resort to at least one case of flooding (mental abuse) per show? Why does he not take responsibility for his actions and influence and TELL people not to emulate him? Love him or hate him, one cannot deny that he is one of the most influential dog trainers ever. Now, if only he would use that influence for positive methods and not aversives, now wouldn&#8217;t that be something?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Carberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Carberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My God, what a depressing read these comments make.

It&#039;s so sad to see that there are people who clearly so genuinely believe that this discredited charlatan Cesar Millan carries any credence.

There are literally hundreds of dog behaviourists working in Britain who&#039;ve forgotten more about their trade than Millan will ever know.  
Many of them have to spend their time trying to sort out the mess people like Cesar Millan leave behind when they glide on to their next money-making scam.  Many of the dogs never recover from the damage these &#039;dog whisperers&#039; do and have to be destroyed, which is exactly why reputable organisations like the RSPCA and the British Veterinary Association are campaigning against Millan.  

Please, please, ignore this publicity-crazed clown and, if you&#039;re having problems with your dog, get yourself a PROPER behaviourist, not a TV personality. 

I&#039;m not a dog behaviourist, by the way, just an ordinary member of the public who knows a conman when he sees one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My God, what a depressing read these comments make.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so sad to see that there are people who clearly so genuinely believe that this discredited charlatan Cesar Millan carries any credence.</p>
<p>There are literally hundreds of dog behaviourists working in Britain who&#8217;ve forgotten more about their trade than Millan will ever know.<br />
Many of them have to spend their time trying to sort out the mess people like Cesar Millan leave behind when they glide on to their next money-making scam.  Many of the dogs never recover from the damage these &#8216;dog whisperers&#8217; do and have to be destroyed, which is exactly why reputable organisations like the RSPCA and the British Veterinary Association are campaigning against Millan.  </p>
<p>Please, please, ignore this publicity-crazed clown and, if you&#8217;re having problems with your dog, get yourself a PROPER behaviourist, not a TV personality. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a dog behaviourist, by the way, just an ordinary member of the public who knows a conman when he sees one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must just correct myself here - its just not a European coalition at all. World players include: 

World Society for the Protection of Animals (WSPA), Australian Veterinary Association (AVA), Australian Veterinary Behaviour Interest Group (AVBIG), American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior (AVSAB), The International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants (IAABC) and The Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers, Inc. (CCPDT)(USA). 

Of course Stuart will no doubt say &quot;but they are not welfare&quot; - splitting hairs imo, since veterinary behaviour and behaviour consutants are very much concerned with welfare. 

Must stufy my international logos better! Apologise for the slight mislead. As least I can admit when I am wrong. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must just correct myself here &#8211; its just not a European coalition at all. World players include: </p>
<p>World Society for the Protection of Animals (WSPA), Australian Veterinary Association (AVA), Australian Veterinary Behaviour Interest Group (AVBIG), American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior (AVSAB), The International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants (IAABC) and The Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers, Inc. (CCPDT)(USA). </p>
<p>Of course Stuart will no doubt say &#8220;but they are not welfare&#8221; &#8211; splitting hairs imo, since veterinary behaviour and behaviour consutants are very much concerned with welfare. </p>
<p>Must stufy my international logos better! Apologise for the slight mislead. As least I can admit when I am wrong. <img src='http://www.dogmagazine.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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