Comments on: Want to Send a Dog to Its Death? Get ‘Qualified’ to do so in 240 Minutes

By: Dog Owner Suitability Test Proposal - Page 2 - Pet Forums Community

Dog Owner Suitability Test Proposal - Page 2 - Pet Forums Community — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:21:25 +0000

[…] the KC more than the Government? Don’t know if you read this article relating to the KC and BSL Want to Send a Dog to Its Death? Get ‘Qualified’ to do so in 240 Minutes Ultimately if we can’t trust the Govt which is DEFRA to enforce and implement dog laws, we’re in […]

By: sonya

sonya — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:39:45 +0000

This makes me sick!! Nothing else to say!!

By: Samir Ohri

Samir Ohri — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:14 +0000

hi Paul
I agree with what you say on the subject that it is the majority of owners that cause this disgraceful movement against these type of animals, but I also think this behavior is in almost every type of animal. In more acurate documentation it is shown around the world that it is other breeds that actually bite more often but aren’t exposed by the media because it “doesn’t sell”……I agree in the wrong hands this breed can be dangerous but so can cross bred/working types dogs eg rotties, am bulldogs, patterdales, Greyhounds and even the KC staffordshire bull terriers were once used for hunting and probably still are. Any of these can be dangerous as straight bred or crossed with each other, so for me there has to be a better salution in the manner in which this matter is resolved.

I have seen a english bullterrier crossed with a mastif on dog borstal that looked like a pitbull type, does that mean it should be put down?
The saying dont judge a book by its cover springs to mind.
I just wish others thought the same as me…….
But i guess we aren’t all the same…………………

By: alex can

alex can — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:17:57 +0000

Interesting a dog can judged to be killed after 4 hours training but it takes years to qualify to judge the prettiest dog, hippocracy at it’s worst.

Given that Staffies and English Bull Terriers are ‘pit bull’ types how does that get ignored?

Surely experts must truly be experts, not self styled experts. How many of these experts will have owned or bred these dogs?

In effect this is typical of the anticompanion animal movement (PETA & the RSPCA) which wants no pets, but for the dog industry to become involved is quite bizarre.

By: CrazyCanine

CrazyCanine — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:13:06 +0000

Lindsay

You have been around APBT’s and APBT-types for nearly 20 years and you are still unsure on occasion! That say’s it all about this course then really! If Lindsay has that much experience of working and being around such dogs, just what level of knowledge will be imparted on this course for those who may not have the exposure that people like Lindsay and Alison have had with these dogs or may rarely come into contact with them?

By: Lindsay

Lindsay — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:35:11 +0000

A study at Canineresearch.net shows that 98% of the participants (including veterinarians and other animal experts) could not positively identify a Pit Bull without also misidentifying other breeds as such. And these people are presuming to spawn experts in less than a day? I’ve been around APBTs and Pit Bull-types for nearly 20 years, and I still encounter dogs that stump me. For interest’s sake, I’d love to take the course and see just how accurate it is, compared to my own life’s experience.

I’m beginning to feel like the world is becoming a big Twilight Zone episode.

By: melanie page

melanie page — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:24:09 +0000

DNB were made aware of the training day just over a week ago and immediately contacted the KC to voice our concerns. DNB asked for and were given permission to attend but have since decided it would be inappropriate for us to do so.
We, like many have concerns and have voiced these with the KC.
We have no desire to enter into a public debate on the rights or wrongs of the course.

By: Alison Green

Alison Green — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:44:49 +0000

Hi Paul,

You are right on much of what you say. I dont think many people will deny it to be honest. Yes the dog where bred for fighting, still are by some people. I have already mentioned my thought on those people. A point that shouldnt be over looked however is even in the horrific dog fighting world, a “people biter” is not tolerated. These dogs are killed. A recent documentary shown on dog fighting in the U.K. showed this is still true.

My main point however is that the Breed Specific aspect of the law doesnt stop this from happening. we have laws for dog fighting, increased under the Animal Welfare act.

There are still most certainly owners of “type” dogs who shouldnt have, in my opinion, any living creature at all. But I also firmly beleive there are owners of any other breeds and cross breeds who shouldnt, in my opinion, have any living creature at all.

This is where I honestly think the law fails us, all of us. I have four children. I want to see something in place to do its utmost to stop any of mine being bitten by any dog. I want to take my children to school without having to avoid the dog mess that people cannot be bothered to pick up.

This is what I honestly want to see in place. I have worked with owners of “type” dogs and done what I can to help them get their dogs back. I have also refused to help some I feel are a danger to people mainly due to the owner not the dog. I am just one person though. We need a law that protects. This law doesnt and I think it would be fair to say we both agree on that.

By: paul

paul — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:32:27 +0000

Hi Alison
The point of the websites is the interent is coming down with such websites ,if dogfighting and the use of these dogs for protection is as common as the websites is it any wonder pitbull types are in serious trouble and getting banned around the world ,it is not as if these dogs are rare ,the rescues are overflowing with them everywhere they are being bred on a production line ,everybody says blame the owners well I agree it is mostly the owners faults ,its the pitbul type owners faults because they are getting and keeping dogs that they cannot control or in lots of cases wont control.
Its pitbul types owners who are breeding aggressive dogs from aggressive dogs and perpetrating more aggressive dogs ,its pitbull type owners who are letting their dogs run loose getting into the headlines ,its pitbull type owners who are letting their dogs attack other peoples pets when they are out walking them .
Its pitbull type owners who are breeding these dogs willy nilly and selling them to anyone with the cash ,its pitbull type owners who delight in shouting about keep the breed true to itself as fighting dogs because this is what made the breed what it is ,as was stated at the start of the post look at how common these websites are on the internet ,its all at your fingertips
So lets put the blame for all the problems of the pitbull types have around the world where it lies on the doorstep of pitbull type owners and breeders they are the ones that are creating all the damage to the pitbull types because these owners are the ones that own pitbull types nobody else.

Well they say a few of Vicks dogs were rehomed but there was a few of them killed to ,also the homes for these dogs would have been well vetted and chosen they would just not of been handed out to anyone that wanted one if they were actually homed at all

Now I am sure they will be some along to go into their usual tirade and throw childish tantrums when someone voices and opinion that goes against the usual pitbull type owners speel ,but then they are good are trying to scare anyone who has a different opinion to them and also very good at manipulating others to stand up and fight for pitbull types while they actually do nothing productive about it except tap away on their keyboard

By: Alison Green

Alison Green — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:32:13 +0000

Hi Paul,

Your raise a fair point. There are websites proclaiming exactly what you say they do. We know they are there, yet little appears to be done about it. The “sport” of dog fighting is barbaric, cruel and owners or participants who enjoy such a thing deserve to be caught and dealt with. I wholeheartedly agree with that.

However, I also think this is an owner problem, not a dog problem. For example; Micheal Vick had a huge number of dogs which he used to fight. One dog has gone on to be a therapy dog. Most of the others, if i remember correctly, have gone onto pet homes. Each dog needs to be assessed properly but this alone shows, its not a problem with the whole breed or type.

There are many factors that can lead to a dog biting. One of the biggest problems in this country is we do nothing to see what causes a dog to bite. Without that knowledge we will never be able to completly tackle the problem.

The recent story of a rottie stated as attacking and killing his owner is another good example. The dog did not kill his owner. His owner died of natural casues and it appears the dog was confused as to what had happened. However this isnt what was seen in the minds of those present at the time and the dog was shot and killed.

I would like all dogs that have bitten/attacked to be seen by professionals to see where the root/cause of the problem lies. It could be irresponsible owner, bad breeding, illness. The list is endless. This isnt to say the dog must be rehomed. Some will not be able too and we also have to ask how many homes would take in a dog that has attacked. However we still lack this vital information which could really help reduce attacks.

We do have a problem but imho it isnt a breed or type problem. It is a much bigger range of problems and thatis what is needed to be dealt with.