I have just rescued a lovely dog. He has one problem. . . he gets very angry if we ask he to do something he doesnt want to do. My partner and I are massive fans of cesars and use his techniques. even to the extent of pinning him down and putting weight onto his back end. We are not hurting him but believe his behaviour is completely unexceptable. It seems to be working and as a result we have a much better and happier dog. He rarely gets angry and when he does we can usually control the situation with no force what so ever. If our dog was in the wild he would be treated worse if he growled, barked and snapped at other dogs like he does to us. I believe a little force (when pinning him down) is beneficial and has worked well. We tried doing it the ‘nice’ way which made him worse and take advantage of us even more.

Dogs should respect and know you are boss. He gets exercised 3 times a day and is never left alone. His behaviour is a result of people giving him treats to do what they want so he now associates bad behaviour with getting a treat. I absolutely love my dog and would never do anything to hurt him.

Sophie

The Jingo acted very subdued afterward, but also didn’t play or even run anymore. He developed the tendancy to drool. Without a vet check I can’t say why, but I wonder if brain damage occured.
There have been several cases where the dog seemed to improve over the short term, but then reverted back. Some were eventually put down. Some people went to ther trainers. The rest whose dogs reverted are unknown as to what they finally did, or if they simply decided to live with the dog as it was. There have been several law suites against him, whether warranted or not, and more than one death of a dog under his care.

just as a point of comparrison last night i was watching animal cops and 2 of the officers had to lay on an emu to catch it. do you also condenm these 2 or would you say no, that different because its a wild animal.

I would condenm them if it were unnecessary. That it was a wild animal wouldn’t enter into my consideration.
1) How vital was it to catch the emu at that moment without waiting for someone experienced in handling such animals.
2) Was there another way they could have accomplished restraining the emu.

Not seeing the show, I can’t speak for whether there was some alternative. If the emu had to be transported from one pen to another location; instead of wrestling it down, they might have laid a trail of small portions of grain leading into a livestock trailer that could have been backed up to the gate of the pen. I would think this would be much less stressful. If the emu were running at large in a potentially dangerous area, time may have been critical.

i would say that through poor training, many dogs that cm deals with have become wild and need to be treated accordinly.

Because a dog is aggressive, does not make it wild. If you were to try to deal with a feral dog, wolf, or coyote in a confrontational way; the results would be tragic.

the current veiw before cm arrived on our tvs was that if a dog bites, nothing can be done and the dog must be killed.

I don’t know why you say that was the view before Cesar Milan’s TV show. There have been, and still are, many trainers who do rehabilitation. The most experienced will not claim they can change any dog. It is accepting out of control aggressive dogs in a class structure, that no reasponsible trainer will do. I have done rehabilitation for decades (beginning in the 60s), until the late 90s when I reduced my training to guide dogs and service dogs. The trainer I apprenticed with for 4 yrs did rehabilitation. I have met many trainers who do rehabilitation, and there must be a great many I have never met nor heard of personally. Those trainers who become trainers after a three wk course, I hope would never try to rehabilitate an aggressive dog.
The only times I thought a dog was hopeless to work with, was one that had an inoperable brain tumor that was causing the violent episodes, and a dog that had been injured with a skull puncture that was causing bleeding in the brain resulting in violence. The latter had not long to live antway, and was put to euthanised as a mercy. The former was kept alive by the owner until death took her, but had to be confined for safety. Even so, the owner wound up having more than one emergency room visit while caring for the dog.

As I wrote before, I don’t disagree with EVERYTHING he says or does. A persons attitude will have a tremendous impact on the results of the training, either positive or negative. This “truth” has been pointed out by many trainers several decades before Cesar Milan came on the scene.

For those who have the ability to pick out the good advice from the bad, his show can be beneficial. But I don’t trust that the average pet owner will be able to do this. So overall, I think his show can cause more harm than good.

This is my personal opinion.

just as a point of comparrison last night i was watching animal cops and 2 of the officers had to lay on an emu to catch it. do you also condenm these 2 or would you say no, that different because its a wild animal. i would say that through poor training, many dogs that cm deals with have become wild and need to be treated accordinly. the current veiw before cm arrived on our tvs was that if a dog bites, nothing can be done and the dog must be killed. i would say that if it takes a bit of rough training to save a dogs life then so be it.
if people follow his guidelines of not doing his more confrontational ways as he advises, with dont try this at home. but do follow his advice of rules, boundaries and limitations. excersise discipline and affection. and to remain calm and assertive with a possitive image in your mind as to how you wish your dog to behave. then they will achieve excellent results as does he. if you dont believe me watch his 100th episode and listen to the owners who had the extremely aggressive female pitbull. even i wondered if he was going to manage it with that one.

Did you do the alpha roll and lay your weight on your dog to subdue him; as Cesar Milan did in more than one episode? The one that was the worst example of his using the alpha roll in my opinion, was the episode with the Korean Jingo. Before pinning the dog, the dog exhibited anxiety and panted fast while stretching back the corners of his lips, and moving from one foot to the other restlessly. The dog reacted in terror while Cesar threw him to the floor and pinned him. The dog had been muzzled with a cloth muzzle before he was pinned. He struggled so much that Cesar wound up laying on him. When he stopped struggling, Cesar got up and declared the dog was now relaxed. The dog lay limp on his side for several minutes. When the dog struggled to get up, he staggered and drooled. I think the dog lay limp because between Cesar’s weight on the dog’s chest and the cloth muzzle preventing him from panting; the dog became oxygen deprived and may have been momentarily unconscious. Cesar could have killed this dog, either by suffocation or by causing a heart attack. Even minutes later, the dog still appeared dazed and subdued.

Did you watch the video under the K9 mag article about Cesar Milan and e-collars? He was called out for a dog aggressive and food aggressive dog. When working on the dog aggression; he waited while the dog barked at other dogs behind a fence (including his Daddy), and when the dog stopped barking and came over to him in a relaxed manner with tail gently wagging and looked attentively at Cesar; Cesar struck the dog quickly and forcefully on the dog’s side. Later he had the dog in a pen while he brought food out to it. The dog looked at Cesar in a relaxed attentive way, tail wagging; and Cesar turned and left the pen without giving the food and got a long handled tool. He prodded the dog with the tool several times. Slowly the dog’s tail wagging diminished more and more with each poke. Then the dog appeared to be puzzled and backed away. Cesar continued poking at the dog. The dog flattened his tail and backed farther away. When the dog had nowhere else to go, he began to bite at the poking tool. He never attempted to threaten Cesar who held the tool, but only the tool. When the dog reacted strongly with aggression to the tool, Cesar proceeded to come at him harder with the tool. Then when the dog stopped biting and spent his energy more in escape attempts, Cesar stopped poking him and put the dish down. But he still wasn’t done tormenting the dog. When the dog tried to eat, Cesar poked the tool into the dish and began moving the dish with the tool. The dog reacted predictably by snapping and growling at the tool when it touched his muzzle. Cesar continued until the dog backed away. With many repititions, the dog gave up trying to eat. Cesar finally had to feed him by hand.

These are two examples of Cesar being confrontationaland even cruel. In the first, he used brute force to subdue a dog in a way that was dangerous to the dog, and could have been dangerous to the owner if he tried to emulate Cesar later. In the second he tormented a dog until the dog retaliated.

These are NOT good training techniques in my opinion!