Comments on: Labrador and Poodle Clubs Spit Their Dummies Out Over Obama’s Dog http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/ the lifestyle magazine for dog lovers Sat, 11 Jun 2011 15:23:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lee http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-30143 Lee Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:00:44 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-30143 Lucy, what makes you think that Labradoodle breeders don't know the ancestry of their dogs, or health test? The ALA (Australian Labradoodle Association) were the first canine organisation in the world to introduce mandatory testing for PRA, a disease prevalent in Poodles that causes blindness. I would challenge the PCA and other Poodle organistions to do likewise. As for your statement regarding the health of crossbreds, every single scientific study that has been done show that crossbreds live longer and are healthier than purebreds. I'd challenge you to come up with the results of any research that shows the reverse. Lucy, what makes you think that Labradoodle breeders don't know the ancestry of their dogs, or health test? The ALA (Australian Labradoodle Association) were the first canine organisation in the world to introduce mandatory testing for PRA, a disease prevalent in Poodles that causes blindness. I would challenge the PCA and other Poodle organistions to do likewise.

As for your statement regarding the health of crossbreds, every single scientific study that has been done show that crossbreds live longer and are healthier than purebreds. I'd challenge you to come up with the results of any research that shows the reverse.

]]> By: Lee http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-30142 Lee Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:53:37 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-30142 The so called "Press Release" is propaganda, and nothing more than an attempt by the Poodle Club of America to increase the sales by their members. The Labradoodle is still used by many Guide Dog associations, including Guide Dogs Victoria , the Association for the Blind of WA, Guide Dogs America, and Guide Dogs of Texas. There are many visually impaired and other people with disabilities around the world who would not have the quality of life that they enjoy today without their Labradoodle Guide and Assistance Dogs, and the hard work and dedication of the people involved with the Guide Dogs Associations who train them. It is very disappointing to see an organisation such as the PCA attempting to deny their existence in order to advance its own agenda. The blatant misinformation on their website and in their press release does absolutely nothing to enhance the credibility of the PCA. The so called "Press Release" is propaganda, and nothing more than an attempt by the Poodle Club of America to increase the sales by their members.

The Labradoodle is still used by many Guide Dog associations, including Guide Dogs Victoria , the Association for the Blind of WA, Guide Dogs America, and Guide Dogs of Texas. There are many visually impaired and other people with disabilities around the world who would not have the quality of life that they enjoy today without their Labradoodle Guide and Assistance Dogs, and the hard work and dedication of the people involved with the Guide Dogs Associations who train them. It is very disappointing to see an organisation such as the PCA attempting to deny their existence in order to advance its own agenda.

The blatant misinformation on their website and in their press release does absolutely nothing to enhance the credibility of the PCA.

]]> By: Lucy http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-29556 Lucy Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:00:45 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-29556 I would rather get a puppy from a reputable breeder who does all the recommended health tests by the breed club and associated Kennel Club, and have the ability to trace the ancestory to determine the prelevance of inherited diseases, know the temperament of the dogs and reduce the risk s instead of having a dog that is from unknown ancestory and could potential have conditions that will be a result through breeding unhealth tested dogs and oh yes pay a reasonable amount rather than the inflated prices for a 'designer dog' I have nothing against crosses but don't sell them as something that will be healhier as the statement is just not true. How can they prove it ? I just dread to see if the Obama's get a Labradoodle the amount of people who will jump on the bandwagon just to make a fast buck I would rather get a puppy from a reputable breeder who does all the recommended health tests by the breed club and associated Kennel Club, and have the ability to trace the ancestory to determine the prelevance of inherited diseases, know the temperament of the dogs and reduce the risk s instead of having a dog that is from unknown ancestory and could potential have conditions that will be a result through breeding unhealth tested dogs and oh yes pay a reasonable amount rather than the inflated prices for a 'designer dog' I have nothing against crosses but don't sell them as something that will be healhier as the statement is just not true. How can they prove it ?
I just dread to see if the Obama's get a Labradoodle the amount of people who will jump on the bandwagon just to make a fast buck

]]> By: Lucy http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-29555 Lucy Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:00:16 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-29555 I would like to see the evidence to support these figures as you can really only quantify the amount of pure bred dogs as they will be registered. If it is higher it maybe because the education in this country is not as good as in the US maybe. I would like to see the evidence to support these figures as you can really only quantify the amount of pure bred dogs as they will be registered. If it is higher it maybe because the education in this country is not as good as in the US maybe.

]]> By: TrudyB http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-29504 TrudyB Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:06:04 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-29504 Mixed race = cross bred and vice versa. I think that may have had something to do with his choice. : ) Mixed race = cross bred and vice versa. I think that may have had something to do with his choice. : )

]]> By: Ryan O'Meara http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-29491 Ryan O'Meara Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:05:56 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-29491 Winnie, you raise a fascinating point that I had never really thought about before. If the US and UK ownership of so-called purebred dogs is so massively split in terms of percentages, that really does raise the question as to whether this is a cultural thing. As you say, is it that US or Canadians are more 'embracing' of mixed breed heritage? I reckon that's a subject worthy of an article! Winnie, you raise a fascinating point that I had never really thought about before. If the US and UK ownership of so-called purebred dogs is so massively split in terms of percentages, that really does raise the question as to whether this is a cultural thing. As you say, is it that US or Canadians are more 'embracing' of mixed breed heritage? I reckon that's a subject worthy of an article!

]]> By: Winnie http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-29487 Winnie Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:19:47 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-29487 cont. from above. I have NEVER been able to right myself with the ideas surrounding purebred dogs. I ponder and believe often it is because of the insult the whole idea of purebred hands to me personally. I can only post my own thoughts on this, but wonder if this is not at least part of the reason that purebreds have not been so embraced in these two nations where people are very proud to be made up from many heritages. cont. from above.

I have NEVER been able to right myself with the ideas surrounding purebred dogs. I ponder and believe often it is because of the insult the whole idea of purebred hands to me personally.

I can only post my own thoughts on this, but wonder if this is not at least part of the reason that purebreds have not been so embraced in these two nations where people are very proud to be made up from many heritages.

]]> By: Winnie http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-29486 Winnie Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:19:02 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-29486 Lee I am glad you have posted about President Obama referring to himself as a mutt. America only has about 25% purebred dogs(unlike the 75% in the UK). It is a nation that has always embraced the mutt and does not have the same history of embracing the showdog as some countries in Europe. I live in Canada where only 10% of dogs are pure, so even more so we embrace our mutts. As a Canadian, though, part of my culture, has always been to embrace my "mutt" heritage. It is common here, when asked about heritage, for one to say "I am a Canadian . . . a mutt". For me that is Caucasian and Black, from Ireland, England, Wales, France and Italy. I also teach my children, for who we have added Dutch and native Indian (Iroquois and Cree), to embrace their "mutt" heritage. cont. Lee I am glad you have posted about President Obama referring to himself as a mutt. America only has about 25% purebred dogs(unlike the 75% in the UK). It is a nation that has always embraced the mutt and does not have the same history of embracing the showdog as some countries in Europe.

I live in Canada where only 10% of dogs are pure, so even more so we embrace our mutts. As a Canadian, though, part of my culture, has always been to embrace my "mutt" heritage. It is common here, when asked about heritage, for one to say "I am a Canadian . . . a mutt". For me that is Caucasian and Black, from Ireland, England, Wales, France and Italy. I also teach my children, for who we have added Dutch and native Indian (Iroquois and Cree), to embrace their "mutt" heritage.

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]]> By: Lee http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-29484 Lee Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:09:30 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-29484 I nearly fell off my chair when I read that the Poodle Club of America, "felt we needed to speak out and educate the Obamas .....about the difference between a purebred and a mixed breed.” What the hell were they thinking??? As President Obama has referred to himself on several occasions as a "mutt", I think he has a pretty good understanding of the "mixed breed" issue! I nearly fell off my chair when I read that the Poodle Club of America, "felt we needed to speak out and educate the Obamas …..about the difference between a purebred and a mixed breed.”

What the hell were they thinking??? As President Obama has referred to himself on several occasions as a "mutt", I think he has a pretty good understanding of the "mixed breed" issue!

]]> By: Philippa http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/1744/labrador-and-poodle-clubs-spit-their-dummies-out-over-obamas-dog/#comment-29463 Philippa Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:26:32 +0000 http://www.dogmagazine.net/?p=1744#comment-29463 "Around 400 inherited diseases have been described in the dog, and these are described for both the purebred population and the crossbred population. Cross bred dogs do suffer from inherited diseases; indeed crossbreds have a far greater described spectrum of inherited diseases than any single purebred population. The biggest difference is in the prevalence of these diseases, each being relatively rare in crossbreeds and more common in purebred dogs" That taken from "Dogs, Dog Breeding and the control of inherited diseases" written by Ronnie Irving, Jeff Sampson and Malcolm Willis. Published by the KC in 2006. So there is good reason to get a well bred doodle. They are mighty cute too. Shame though I was hoping they'd get an English Setter but never mind. I hope they will be happy with whatever they get. "Around 400 inherited diseases have been described in the dog, and these are described for both the purebred population and the crossbred population. Cross bred dogs do suffer from inherited diseases; indeed crossbreds have a far greater described spectrum of inherited diseases than any single purebred population. The biggest difference is in the prevalence of these diseases, each being relatively rare in crossbreeds and more common in purebred dogs"
That taken from "Dogs, Dog Breeding and the control of inherited diseases" written by Ronnie Irving, Jeff Sampson and Malcolm Willis. Published by the KC in 2006.

So there is good reason to get a well bred doodle. They are mighty cute too. Shame though I was hoping they'd get an English Setter but never mind. I hope they will be happy with whatever they get.

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