written by Jon Swinhoe of Zepthedep Rottweiler Rescue
This is a serious question.
Events that have come to light in the last few days have sickened me.
With the news that a rescue has aborted a bitch at 8 weeks into pregnancy and then the same day a representative from the same rescue had the gall to make an unsolicited phone call to our rescue and pass comment on a mother and her litter of 4 day old pups who we are fighting to save the lives of – her comment astounded me:
“You should just let nature take its course ,as we can do without litters of pups in rescue.”
This, from a rescue representative who openly admits to taking in “end of litters from breeders”.
The mother and her pups came to us as we were called upon by another rescue to try and save the lives of these dogs who were being kept in horrendous conditions and needed urgent vet treatment.
They are just some of the 20+ rottweilers we now have in our rescue at this time .
Dog shelters in this country is in the worst state it has ever been in by my recollection , with more and more dogs in rescue, and the shelters full to bursting point as more dogs are being destroyed in dog pounds on a daily basis than ever before.
Our own rescue can have up to a dozen phone calls a day asking for rotts to be handed in. That’s around 3000 calls a year from all sectors, not just the general public, but large national charities to smaller independent rescues who just cant cope with the shear number of unwanted dogs here in the UK.
But should the responsibility of control be down to those in rescue to eleviate this problem by euthanasia of any dogs who come through their doors or abort bitches in pup whatever stage she is at?
Personally this is something I find very hard to take on board and will not contemplate or participate in.
Our Rottweiler rescue rehomes on average 80 + rotts a year.
So with the need for rescues such as ours,I believe it is time to look at the root of the problem and call for a temporary mandatory spaying and castration campaigns by rescues, breed clubs, breeders and the K.C of all dogs with the exception of registered breeders. This must be done under the strictest of guide lines.
I also call for the banning of the sale or advertising of pups and dogs on certain websites, and adverts selling pups/dogs in free add papers/local papers etc to be banned immediately.
But here is the another problem , if some rescues and breeders continue use these unsavoury sites then what chance do we have as responsible rescues, breeders etc to promote to the public how to source and what to look out for when rescuing or buying dogs?
Surely it is now time for both rescues and breeders to step back and take stock and look at the message they are sending out when using these avenues to advertise.
Remember, if you use these methods to advertise, you are in fact giving credibility to them.
If we don’t act soon and get our own house in order, someone will step in and do it for us. It’s my belief that self regulation is better than government legislation .
THE FOLLOWING PUBLISHED ON BEHALF OF THE ROTTWEILER RESCUE TRUST:
In response to the article dated 12.12.08 in K9 Magazine we are the rescue he is referring to.
We were asked to take this bitch into our care by several people who had seen her being advertised as “in whelp”, on a website, for £90.
We agreed to take her simply as she was very local to us – in fact she was only about three miles away from where we live.
However, the advertiser had already sold her to a gentleman who subsequently phoned us the next day.
Mr Swinhoe also telephoned us to discuss the bitch with us, and as soon as we had been contacted by the new “owner” we let Mr Swinhoe know. Mr Swinhoe told us that he had been told the bitch was crossed with a Shar Pei and asked what we would do if that was the case. We said we would still help the dog. We also advised the new owner that we would be asking our vet if he would be happy to spay and abort any pups if he felt that there would not be an undue risk to the bitch.
The owners main concern was that the bitch would not be destroyed and would go to a good home, and we assured him that we would not destroy her and would find her a good home.
We picked Lady up, and took her to our vet. He could not feel any obvious pups, and felt that it would be safe to spay her and abort the pups. In fact, Lady was not in whelp – she was having a phantom pregnancy – but we did not know that until she had been operated on.
Mr Swinhoe contacted us about another dog on the same day, and we let him know that Lady had been spayed, and had not been having pups. This was on the 11.12.08. He wrote this article on 12.12.08 and already knew that in fact the bitch was not in whelp at all, so why Mr Swinhoe has chosen to dramatise this is beyond us. None of us spoke to the original owner so had no definite knowledge of how far into any potential pregnancy she might be. He did not make any adverse comments to us about the situation.
However, we do realise that to talk about aborting pups is a very emotive subject. There were several reasons for our decision, and they are as follows
Raising a litter of pups is very hard work, and very time consuming. Lady could potentially have had a large litter, all of which needed to find good, loving homes. Although many people see pups as “easy” to rehome – if you do the job properly it is not easy. All these dogs would have needed to have an experienced, home checked home, with people who had plenty of time and patience. They would have required lots of care in the first few weeks of life – and a dedicated foster carer for both Mum and puppies.
Our other reason was that for every pup in care, our adult dogs spend longer in kennels. These dogs too deserve a chance of a happy loving home.
These pups were not born yet – our adult dogs are.
We were happy to take our vets advice on whether Lady was in whelp, in the first stages of pregnancy, or too far advanced to abort.
With regard to Mr Swinhoe’s statement about one of our representatives making an unsolicited phone call to his wife – the representative was Lorraine Day. Anyone who has ever met Lorraine will tell you she is the softest person you could ever wish to meet, and she would never suggest that letting nature take it’s course and allowing pups to die without trying to save them was the right thing to do. She would fight tooth and nail to help any dog to stay alive and be happy and healthy. In fact, the unsolicited call was about another dog that Mr Swinhoe was going to take into his rescue. We had been offered the dog too, and had also been offered £100 towards it’s keep. Lorraine phoned to ask for their address so that she could ensure the money went to them as they had rescued the dog. Lorraine did make the comment when told about the puppies in Mr Swinhoe’s care that “that is all we need – more pups in care” but it has been taken totally out of context.
We are very sorry that one dog has caused so much controversy and bad feeling, when there are so many dogs out there needing all the help they can get.
We have to say however, that we stand by our decision, and if Lady had been in whelp, she would have been aborted, if in the early stages, and if our vet considered it to be a safe option.
We are also aware that it is not ideal to spay a bitch when she is having a phantom pregnancy, but we are not perfect, and did the best we could on the day.
With regards to our taking into care parts of litters and rehoming them – we have. We have been offered 8 litters or part litters this year, and have taken 4 of them. We took these pups as in those 4 cases, the pups were almost certain to go to any home the breeder could find – whether suitable or not, and in one case because the lady concerned was elderly and in very ill health. We would also point out that Mr Swinhoe also takes and rehomes pups.
With regards to our advertising in Free Ads – we do advertise occasionally in Free Ads and have had some very good homes come forward. We have also had some unsuitable homes, whom we have hopefully talked out of buying a rottweiler at all.
Part of the title of Mr Swinhoes’s article is “IN CIRCULATION” and that is so true. Many of these dogs are IN CIRCULATION – with no stable home and not much chance of finding one.
We are sorry that Mr Swinhoe has chosen to use this route to air the views to which he is entitled, rather than discussing it with us and giving us a chance to answer him directly.
If anyone would like to comment, either positively or negatively, please feel free to ring us and do so – we don’t bite – we just try to do the best for the dogs in our care.
We have no wish to become embroiled in childish arguments and intend to simply get on with finding good, loving homes for the dogs in our care.
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mmmm this whole post smacks of double standards to be honest,, on the one hand you are bemoaning the fact that a Rescue wishes to abort a litter of puppies and yet go on to state that there are far too many dogs in rescue or dying in pounds on a daily basis so what do want? less dogs or not?.
The people who BREED these dogs are the root of the problem and yet you have no problem advertising links on your website to Breeders nor do you seem to have a problem bringing in a pregnant bitch from Ireland not only to the detriment of the bitch but theres even more pups in rescue lookng for potential homes,perhaps that could just have mean't a few dogs less dying in UK pounds? but then pups are the easy option for rescues,less expense easy in and out and don't need the expense of being neutered?
Now regarding your call on a ban on advertising pups/dogs etc in freeads in an ideal world that would be great but when rescues are already overflowing and dogs are being turned away even the Dogs Trust have an 11week waiting list then where are people supposed to turn?
just to add,
What constitutes a site being "unsavoury"?, I can imagine that the Author would have to be very careful where he advertises his dogs being the breed they are but surely that is purely his personal opinion and that these "unsavoury"sites could possibly generate good homes for other dogs?
The Author appears to be calling for a ban on advertising of dogs by the public AND the rescues themselves so how do these dogs get advertised?
"But then pups are the easy option for rescues, less expense easy in and out and don't need the expense of being neutered?”
It definitely is an easy option when the rescue co-ordinator never even see's the pup! It is looked after from been 5 weeks old and is then found a home by the fosterer but the rescue still gets the adoption 'donation'! The said rescue then goes back on it's word to honour the Dog's Trust Voucher for spaying (after they were no longer valid) because of 'falling out' with a relation of the adopters!!!!
So £125 donation minus £18 for first vacs and £7 for food = £100 'profit'
Nice one?!
I do not understand why Mr Jon Swivenhoe chose to submit his article after being informed of the facts. I have known Peter, Shelley and Lorraine for some considerable time (I even have a 5year old Rott which I rehomed at the age of 4 from Rottweiler Rescue Trust), and can stae that I have had nothing but admiration for the help and follow-up that they do on all their homed dogs. Rottweiler Rescue Trust does a magnificent job and doesn't need these ridiculous allegations from another rescue. Surely all the rescues should be pulling together to help this wonderful; breed ! Unless there is, of course, another underlying reason !
Can I just make clear that the rescue I was refering to in the above comment was most definitely NOT Rottweiler Rescue Trust.
Can I ask why my post was removed?
surely this subject is open to debate?
I see Mr Swinhoe has got his way again and had posts removed but hasn't got the balls to actually reply?!!
No comments have been deleted at all.
Hi Bob, I have spent ages writing up a comment on a particluar article on this site in the past and then wondered where it had ended up?
As a bit of a technophobe I think that I have hit the wrong button and thought I had sent the post in only to wonder where it had gotten to at a later date.
This site does not delete anything as far as I know?
It allows positive as well as negative comments.
Happy Christmas!
Hi I have been following this article with great interest.____First let me add that the main problem is breeders who are interested in breeding continuously for a quick buck and not at all worried about the puppies and where they go. ____Second, I have no problem with aborting a bitch if its early enough (as with humans), you yourself have mentioned that the rescue centres are at breaking point, why add to that when theres enough suffering animals out there that already need a home.____Third, I dont see the problem where you advertise as long as the home has been vetted and the dog is found a loving place to live.____I must also confirm that there seems to have been some posts removed, one mentioning Mr Swinhoe trying to discredit another rescue, and the one calling for Mr. Swinhoe to reply to the comments posted.____Having three rescue dogs myself I feel that anyone who runs any rescue centre does a fantastic job as i'm sure its very hard work and I have great admiration for you all. Different people will have different opinions on how things should be done for the best but the important thing is you are all after the same result, the welfare of the animals. ______
With the news that a rescue has aborted a bitch at 8 weeks into pregnancy and then the same day a representative from the same rescue had the gall to make an unsolicited phone call to our rescue and pass comment on a mother and her litter of 4 day old pups who we are fighting to save the lives of – her comment astounded me:(quote) this post was made AFTER mr swinoe knew that the bitch was in fact NOT pregant far less carrying 8 week old pups having had no contact with the original owner how did mr swinoe come to the conclusion that the bitch was 8 weeks pregnant? It would seem that mr swinoe is casting aspersions on the professional integrity of the vet who carried out the NON abortion and the spaying of this bitch on behalf of the other rescue in question.( QUOTE) Our own rescue can have up to a dozen phone calls a day asking for rotts to be handed in. That’s around 3000 calls a year from all sectors, not just the general public, but large national charities to smaller independent rescues who just cant cope with the shear number of unwanted dogs here in the UK. By his own words Mr Swinoe would have us believe that he receives 3000 calls from the aforementioned organizations and sectors of the public given that (QUOTE) Our Rottweiler rescue rehomes on average 80 + rotts a year. perhaps Mr swinoe might care to comment on what happened to the 2920 dogs he turned away or are these part of the number which are IN CIRCULATION. (QUOTE)They are just some of the 20+ rottweilers we now have in our rescue at this time 20+ 80+ surely a rescue should know the EXACT number of dogs in it,s care at any given time and the and the number of dogs it ha rehomed in a year so how many how many dogs does the + represent . also on the point of being unable to cope with the sheer number of dogs in pounds and rescues perhaps mr swinoe would care to comment on why given these numbers he sees fit to bring in dogs from Ireland surely this only compounds the problem which exists.(QUOTE)what chance do we have as responsible rescues, breeders etc to promote to the public how to source and what to look out for when rescuing or buying dogs? should a rescue actively promote breeders by providing links to the same on the rescue,s website?
as to the point made regarding advertising be it in free papers or whatever surely it is up to the prospective buyer to satisfy him/herself that they are happy with what they are buying from these ads and as far as rescues advertising for rehomes or foster homes by these means surely by adhering to the policies of the rescue in question unsuitable fosterers or rehomers would be weeded out as would be the case if they had applied directly to the rescue or how further would mr swinoe like to see censorship taken?
Mr Swinhoe has still not answered the calls from the users of this site for clarification or explanation. He is quite obviously hoping it will all go away.
I ask again Mr Swinhoe – explain!