Comments on: Are Dog Breeders Evil Villains?

By: arthur sahakian

arthur sahakian — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:50:39 +0000

Breeders should really be allowed to breed an “x” amount of dogs per year. Dogs in pounds are kept for 7 days max and they range on average 2-5 years old. These dogs I kid you not all look mannered, cute, and potentialed to be part of someone’s family nucleus for years to come. In a matter of 1 month I bet we can alleviate the over saturation of dogs being humanly put down at animal shelters by regulating these PIECE of sh*t breeders. I don’t care how solid they are at what they do, go get a real hobby and or a real job. There is nothing natural about you breeding dogs how would you like someone breeding you or your kids? Yes I’m angered and annoyed with breeders. I see the reality in all this and it just doesn’t make sense in regards to what breeders are doing. Very selfish I’d have to say. These dogs are diseased on an aggregate scale. All these tiny tee cup dogs statistically have heart problems and come down with some type of neurological problem almost always. If you are really a dog lover, lets be frank…..You will fall in love with any dog you bring into your family, bottom line is every dog will find their way into you heart. ughghghg I don’t know I’m just not impressed with what I saw at the animal shelter. They have no blankets, they take daily walks with in a very small range it’s depressing seeing them go through what they go through. Humans seriously ruin everything starting w/ the eco system down righteous to dogs where we have no BUSINESS doing what we are doing especially breeding. Any who that’s my 2 cents.

By: Kizzystafford

Kizzystafford — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:11:56 +0000

I breed my dogs but I am more interested in seeing the puppies come into the world than the money ofcourse i don't give them away because they could end up any where and I don't want anyone thinking I am a "Back yard breeder" because I am not, a B.Y.B. is someone who breeds his/her dogs at their homes for profit alone and they never let them have breaks either , my bitches have long breaks between litters and well deserved ones they are too, although my bitches breed somtimes, they are still pets NOT money machines!!!

I hope this sinks into the thick skulls of puppy farmers and back yard breeders!

Just one more thing………

Brothers and sisters should NOT breed!!!!!

DONT BREED FOR GREED!!!

By: KAza

KAza — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:06:58 +0000

This is quite an arrogant position to take. It is a ‘ridiculous statement’ only because you say so? One man’s ‘ridiculous statement’ is another’s firm belief. I still want to know what a responsible breeder is and my specific issue is your assertion that a puppy from a breeder is somehow a better bet than a dog from a rescue. This is a myth that needs to be dispelled and should have died out with other old wives tales. There is absolutely no guarantee as to how a dog will turn out whether it comes from a breeder or a rescue but it is, frankly, very disheartening (and somewhat revealing) to read this theory still being touted. It is nothing to do with the initial question but personally I find it very difficult for anyone who works in the field of animal welfare to still be promoting this outdated theory. Rescues are full of dogs that have been created by breeders. So to hear this outdated theory that a puppy from a breeder comes with more ‘reliability’ is likely to provoke a reaction. If the theory can’t be substantiated, it needs to be challenged. It has been. That is nothing to do with the original question which is still being addressed.

The above post shows how very little the poster understands about breeding, environmental and genetic influences, although, I have to admit at NOT being too surprised at this low level of educationa nd understanding…..Ryan is right in what he says here, outdated, head in the sand dodgy old breeder is what image I have of this poster.

By: KAza

KAza — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:58:42 +0000

Boy oh boy muppet likes to be alpha dog doesnt he…

Im not interested in your arrogant drivel muppet, now google canine health and I am sure even a muppet like you will find who we are….

please dont ever be put off rescue because some loud mouth wants to stamp his rotten feet, animals need us all yes even the gobby ones too !

By: Ryan O'Meara

Ryan O'Meara — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:43:12 +0000

No I didn’t. You implied that yourself. It’s really, really simple – why would a GOOD breeder be so worried about criticisms aimed exclusively at bad breeders? The good breeders I know are delighted that the public is being forced into hearing the public debate about good and bad dog breeding practices. Some breeders are way too defensive – that is a worrying trait when it is not (ever) GOOD breeders who are being criticised.

As for a good debate, believe me – it’s open season here, I can (and do) debate hard and long but some people prefer to avoid any debating and simply engage in exchanges that cloud the issue. I wasn’t the one who ‘implied’ anything, you implied it yourself and then made a wise-crack about my soap box. So if it’s a strong opinion from my side of the fence it’s a ‘soap box’ but when it comes from yours its ‘debate’. Really? This is the kind of double standards that reveals those who can and those who can’t discuss things robustly.

By: Tooolz

Tooolz — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:23:06 +0000

“I implied nothing”
” I find it funny that someone/anyone is so defensive over criticisms aimed at bad breeders. It’s a highly odd position to take.”

OH REALLY?

I responded, in good faith, to your invitation to put my view as to what constitutes a good dog breeder(or as you put it “are dog breeders evil villains?”)
THEN you suggest that because I posted my personal criteria, I protest too much.
I enjoy a good debate as much as the next person – BUT it would appear a good debate is not what you enjoy.

By: Cutleeeery

Cutleeeery — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:55:53 +0000

Posted by Tooolz 4th November, 2008 at 3:25 pm

“Good breeders – and I know many – don’t worry at ALL about the criticism aimed at bad breeders”

and by implication all those who express their standpoint can be filed in YOUR bad breeders file.

What’s the view like from the top of your own, self-moderated soap box?

Hey Tooolz, if the view was really from the top of a ‘self-moderated soap box’, we would not be able to read your comment would we, think about it!

Regards

Cutleeeery

PS Your not really one of the sharpest tooolz in the tooolzbox are you! lol

By: Ryan O'Meara

Ryan O'Meara — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:28:58 +0000

I implied nothing. Read again:

“Good breeders – and I know many – don’t worry at ALL about the criticism aimed at bad breeders”

Good breeders do not and should not worry in the slightest about the criticisms aimed at BAD BREEDERS. Seems pretty simple. Pretty straight forward.

OH – and everyone is ‘self moderated’. People can say whatever they like. I find it funny that someone/anyone is so defensive over criticisms aimed at bad breeders. It’s a highly odd position to take.

By: Tooolz

Tooolz — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:25:23 +0000

“Good breeders – and I know many – don’t worry at ALL about the criticism aimed at bad breeders”

and by implication all those who express their standpoint can be filed in YOUR bad breeders file.

What’s the view like from the top of your own, self-moderated soap box?

By: Ryan O'Meara

Ryan O'Meara — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:49:02 +0000

“Are you prepared to give anyone in this minority credit for this or are we all to be villified as ‘BREEDERS’?”

Did you even read the article?
This overtly defensive ‘woe is us’ attitude that some breeders express is worrying. Good breeders – and I know many – don’t worry at ALL about the criticism aimed at bad breeders. Good breeders welcome it. Good breeders know who the criticism is aimed at. Good breeders don’t wish to be associated with the bad breeders. The ones in the middle, the ones who aren’t – in their heart of heart’s – REALLY sure whether they are a genuinely good breeder or not, they get defensive and end up fighting tooth and nail in an effort to clear a name that was never actually tarnished. Nowhere, not once, not ever has this website or me personally EVER said ‘all breeders deserve vilification’ – why? Because I have bred, I am thus ‘a breeder’. A good breeder. Why so many breeders feel the need, instead of joining in the condemnation of the BAD breeders, would prefer to nail themselves to their figurative cross and bemoan the nasty media for ‘attacking them all’ when the reality is, they’ve done no such thing, is a mystery to me.

You see – if you’d read the original article you’d see the following:

“No, all breeders are not evil villains.”

If I WAS ‘villifying ALL breeders’ it would not read that way. It would read, quite simply, as

“Yes, all breeders are evil villains.”

But it doesn’t. And so instead of playing the victim, those breeders who feel they are up to scratch, those breeders who aren’t – secretly – worried that it might just be them who IS being criticised, who aren’t TOTALLY sure that their standards are as high as they could be, who aren’t POSITIVE that their motivation for breeding is 100% credible, those breeders simply don’t worry about the criticism aimed at the BAD breeders and they certainly don’t get hot under the collar when moves are being made to highlight bad breeders, bad breeding practices and to put pressure on the public to understand that there are – quite simply – only two kinds of breeders: Good ones, and bad ones.